The train was normally an empty Limestone train but in those days they were also used to forward both Petrol, Fertiliser & sometimes an odd wagon of steel for Southern line destinations.
The normal X2010 as made out by the guard showed the train consist from the Brake Van through to the loco's, thus vehicle #1 on the X2010 was the Van & then numbered upwards to the front.
The wagons for destinations past MV, were detached there & then picked up by the next suitable train to be forwarded to Goulburn, where the wagons would have been then put onto appropriate trains to the destination or next point for transit.
In this case the DOT was diesel fuel for Glbn Loco & would be taken there by the South yard shunting engine. The Bomballa fert for the next goods train to Cooma/Bombala . They would have been left together for that train.
The wagons for Wallendbeen would have been remarshalled together & those for Boorowa also left together, & despatched on the first pick up or slow goods service south.
The Boorowa traffic would have been marshalled in the lead of the other traffic, in accord with the drop off locations along the way, as such if there had been traffic for Yass they would have been on the lead, & then the Boorowa. Train control would also know how much loading was at Harden & Galong for the branch, which would mean the fertiliser wagons could have been shunted off at Galong for attaching to the branch service.
The exception to that would have been if the wagons would have remained in Galong yard for any extended time to prevent interference with them, so would have been taken to Harden.
When looking at pick up trains for modelling purposes, the idea I will be using is to list 3xS, 2 x K, 1x MLV, 2 x RTC for Sleigh, 1x RTC for Union Oil etc at Akuna, if empties were required for Nullo Saw Mill, a list showing, 1xMLE, 2xS, & so on. The train consist & make up would have the wagons marshalled on the train with the first detach closest to the locomotive.
Any Loaded RTC, also required at least one wagon between it & a steam locomotive, also regarding Oil Depots, there was usually an engine stop board located just inside the terminals gates which were always shut except when being shunted, thus a sufficient number of wagons needed to be positioned between the engine & RTC for spotting.
An oil depot on the down side of the western line not far from Katoomba was shunted by 46cl but the O/head only went in as far as the gates, thus the wagon had to be marshalled on the train with at least 3 S trucks between it & the 46.
Hope this is of help.
008….PT
KEMBLA NTH…. 6/2/80…1405HRS
DS
WOLLONGONG
METS
106/99
1/S
SYCO
FREIGHT
53
SOUTH
GOODS CONTROL
GOUL
GOCO
GOULBURN:
MEDWAY=
TRAIN
NO.663, EMPTIES/FERT. TO MOSS VALE DEPARTED AT 1400HRS
GRD GREIG PT
KEMBLA 1225HRS
DRV HUSSEY PT
KEMBLA 1250HRS
ENG NO.42108/42213.
JHG 34036 23 PT KEMBLA MOSS
VALE USE
17 CH PT
KEMBLA MEDWAY M/T
1 HCH 306 SAME
DOT 928 60 PT KEMBLA GOULBURN
OIL
S 1723 24 SAME BOORAWA
FERT
S 16002 24 SAME
S 6436 24 SAME
S 15369 24 SAME
S 2467 24 PT KEMBLA WALLENDBEEN
FERT
S 14205 24 SAME BOORAWA
FERT
S 14079 24 SAME WALLENDBEEN
FERT
S 9763 24 SAME
S 15538 24 SAME
S 12739 24 SAME
S 12978 24 SAME
S 4180 24 SAME
S 12955 24 SAME
S 3318 24 SAME
S 14059 24 SAME
S 1416 24 PT KEMBLA BOMBALA
FERT
S 6790 24 SAME
S 8883 24 PT KEMBLA BOORAWA
FERT
TOTAL LOAD=38=58 AT
839 TONNES.
ASM PT KEMBLA
NTH 1415HRS
Thanks Col. This type of 'source information' is valuable although it does demonstrate that I don't have enough S trucks in my fleet.
ReplyDeletecheers Phil
Hi Phil
ReplyDeleteFor those modelling the steam era, & even up to the end of steam, there are several models that in many ways you cannot, not have enough of. Top of the list is the S truck.
Others that are there also are the K, RU, CW & GSV, also the proportional aspect of them with more GSV than CW the further back into the steam era one goes.
Just an addition to what I said in the main part of the post, is that pick up trains were generally also built up with through traffic, which for modelling purposes would be just shown as "through" just as the Van would be. Thus what is detached is only shown.
A down pick up usually ran for detaching of vehicles rather than attaching unless the wagons attached were required for further on destinations. Which was often the case with loaded wagons, previously detached when emptied could be needed for other traffic loading further out.
Col,
ReplyDeleteI know what you mean, just about every photo you see from that era has at least one S Truck in the image. The trouble is I thought 14 would be sufficient. I was wrong. Certainly, with the exception of the CW, all of the others are represented at Philip's Creek although in nowhere near the same numbers as the S Truck.
As a follow-up question which may seem a bit dumb, I assume that those wagons to be detached were marshalled as close to the locomotive as possible and then subsequent pick ups were also marshalled adjacent to the locomotive. The reason I ask is that those with a BOORAWA FERT label appear to be spread throughout the train.
Phil
ReplyDeleteNot dumb at all, but remember I mentioned how an X2010 is listed from the Van, to the loco's. Thus the van is shown as #1 on the form & then numbered to the front of the train.
The listing here called a teleprinter load, which is really a compressed "telegram" type form of the trains consist sent out only to those listed at the top of the page. Under normal working of 663, it would only list the van & empty limestone hoppers in the way shown, not as listed on the X2010.
As 663 was being used for convenience, the fert & diesel fuel has to be listed in full, so that each of the listed recipients would know the consist, & yes they would be attached to the engines, primarily for the ease of detaching but also being loaded wagons, required them to be on the front.
The full concept of pick up trains was to have the loading placed in order of detaching along the route for times sake.
The other aspect in regard to the way the train was marshalled ex PTK in regard to the fert wagons is that they may have come out of AFL in that order, & close to the departure time of 663.
The older workings in that & earlier NSWGR times was to get the loading out of their originating location as soon as possible, basically clearing the yards & getting them in transit.
Any remarshalling to be carried out was at a yard where it became necessary, in this case Goulburn. The detach off 663 was a straight movement in the down yard at Moss Vale after arrival & we changed over to work 662 back down the hill.
Hope that helps.
Cheers Col
Thanks Col, yes it does.Much appreciated
ReplyDeleteWhat can I say, fantastic information. Sorry for the late reply. Thank you so very much. Darren
ReplyDeleteDarren
DeleteThank you for the comment & my apologies for the delay in the post & reply also, as I discovered it in the moderation box when I did my next post last night