Friday, 26 April 2013

A follow up of a blog on the The Nimmitabel Extension blog site regarding train consist forms X2010, & how we can adapt these systems to the modelling arena, the following is what is called a Teleprinter load consist of a train I worked from PTK to Moss Vale. 

The train was normally an empty Limestone train but in those days they were also used to forward both Petrol, Fertiliser & sometimes an odd wagon of steel for Southern line destinations.

The normal X2010 as made out by the guard showed the train consist from the Brake Van through to the loco's, thus vehicle #1 on the X2010 was the Van & then numbered upwards to the front.

The wagons for destinations past MV, were detached there & then picked up by the next suitable train to be forwarded to Goulburn, where the wagons would have been then put onto appropriate trains to the destination or next point for transit.

In this case the DOT was diesel fuel for Glbn Loco & would be taken there by the South yard shunting engine. The Bomballa fert for the next goods train to Cooma/Bombala . They would have been left together for that train.

The wagons for Wallendbeen would have been remarshalled together & those for Boorowa also left together, & despatched on the first pick up or slow goods service south.

The Boorowa traffic would have been marshalled in the lead of the other traffic, in accord with the drop off locations along the way, as such if there had been traffic for Yass they would have been on the lead, & then the Boorowa. Train control would also know how much loading was at Harden & Galong for the branch, which would mean the fertiliser wagons could have been shunted off at Galong for attaching to the branch service.

The exception to that would have been if the wagons would have remained in Galong yard for any extended time to prevent interference with them, so would have been taken to Harden.

When looking at pick up trains for modelling purposes, the idea I will be using is to list 3xS, 2 x K, 1x MLV, 2 x RTC for Sleigh, 1x RTC for Union Oil etc at Akuna, if empties were required for Nullo Saw Mill, a list showing, 1xMLE, 2xS, & so on. The train consist & make up would have the wagons marshalled on the train with the first detach closest to the locomotive.

Any Loaded RTC, also required at least one wagon between it & a steam locomotive, also regarding Oil Depots, there was usually an engine stop board located just inside the terminals gates which were always shut except when being shunted, thus a sufficient number of wagons needed to be positioned between the engine & RTC for spotting.

An oil depot on the down side of the western line not far from Katoomba was shunted by 46cl but the O/head only went in as far as the gates, thus the wagon had to be marshalled on the train with at least 3 S trucks between it & the 46.

Hope this is of help.

008….PT KEMBLA NTH…. 6/2/80…1405HRS



METS 106/99










GRD GREIG                     PT KEMBLA  1225HRS

DRV HUSSEY                   PT KEMBLA  1250HRS

ENG NO.42108/42213.


JHG    34036     23       PT KEMBLA       MOSS VALE USE

17      CH                      PT KEMBLA       MEDWAY M/T

1        HCH       306       SAME

DOT   928         60       PT KEMBLA       GOULBURN OIL

S        1723       24       SAME               BOORAWA FERT

S        16002     24       SAME

S        6436       24       SAME

S        15369     24       SAME

S        2467       24       PT KEMBLA       WALLENDBEEN FERT

S        14205     24       SAME               BOORAWA FERT

S        14079     24       SAME               WALLENDBEEN FERT

S        9763       24       SAME

S        15538     24       SAME

S        12739     24       SAME

S        12978     24       SAME

S        4180       24       SAME

S        12955     24       SAME

S        3318       24       SAME

S        14059     24       SAME

S        1416       24       PT KEMBLA       BOMBALA FERT

S        6790       24       SAME

S        8883       24       PT KEMBLA       BOORAWA FERT







  1. Thanks Col. This type of 'source information' is valuable although it does demonstrate that I don't have enough S trucks in my fleet.

    cheers Phil

  2. Hi Phil

    For those modelling the steam era, & even up to the end of steam, there are several models that in many ways you cannot, not have enough of. Top of the list is the S truck.

    Others that are there also are the K, RU, CW & GSV, also the proportional aspect of them with more GSV than CW the further back into the steam era one goes.

    Just an addition to what I said in the main part of the post, is that pick up trains were generally also built up with through traffic, which for modelling purposes would be just shown as "through" just as the Van would be. Thus what is detached is only shown.

    A down pick up usually ran for detaching of vehicles rather than attaching unless the wagons attached were required for further on destinations. Which was often the case with loaded wagons, previously detached when emptied could be needed for other traffic loading further out.

  3. Col,

    I know what you mean, just about every photo you see from that era has at least one S Truck in the image. The trouble is I thought 14 would be sufficient. I was wrong. Certainly, with the exception of the CW, all of the others are represented at Philip's Creek although in nowhere near the same numbers as the S Truck.

    As a follow-up question which may seem a bit dumb, I assume that those wagons to be detached were marshalled as close to the locomotive as possible and then subsequent pick ups were also marshalled adjacent to the locomotive. The reason I ask is that those with a BOORAWA FERT label appear to be spread throughout the train.

  4. Phil

    Not dumb at all, but remember I mentioned how an X2010 is listed from the Van, to the loco's. Thus the van is shown as #1 on the form & then numbered to the front of the train.

    The listing here called a teleprinter load, which is really a compressed "telegram" type form of the trains consist sent out only to those listed at the top of the page. Under normal working of 663, it would only list the van & empty limestone hoppers in the way shown, not as listed on the X2010.

    As 663 was being used for convenience, the fert & diesel fuel has to be listed in full, so that each of the listed recipients would know the consist, & yes they would be attached to the engines, primarily for the ease of detaching but also being loaded wagons, required them to be on the front.

    The full concept of pick up trains was to have the loading placed in order of detaching along the route for times sake.

    The other aspect in regard to the way the train was marshalled ex PTK in regard to the fert wagons is that they may have come out of AFL in that order, & close to the departure time of 663.

    The older workings in that & earlier NSWGR times was to get the loading out of their originating location as soon as possible, basically clearing the yards & getting them in transit.

    Any remarshalling to be carried out was at a yard where it became necessary, in this case Goulburn. The detach off 663 was a straight movement in the down yard at Moss Vale after arrival & we changed over to work 662 back down the hill.

    Hope that helps.

    Cheers Col

  5. Thanks Col, yes it does.Much appreciated

  6. What can I say, fantastic information. Sorry for the late reply. Thank you so very much. Darren

    1. Darren

      Thank you for the comment & my apologies for the delay in the post & reply also, as I discovered it in the moderation box when I did my next post last night